LLIers that think they can really make money---Remember by responding to this you are out of compliance. Former LLI associates that were scammed, join with me and make noise, post your experience here and as many places as you can, you don’t even have to use your real name except in the Arizona Attorney General complaint and your advisors Attorney General’s state complaint. A class action with your scammed amount could be returned. Maybe your advisors profit will be returned and a cease and desist could happen.

There are so many posts on this and other forums I’m not going to get into the comp plan or other details. Just bring up some salient points. If the $1500 that you spend on the beyond freedom the flagship product is so great, why are all the leaders, John L and others searching elsewhere for other personal development stuff? It’s because at most beyond freedom is worth $20-$50. On Ebay it’s only worth $8.95. Yet you are required to spend $1500 to get “qualified and capitalize your business” in their Aussie 2-up opportunity, the worst NLM comp plan ever with the highest attrition rate, now marketed as the Himalayan Hybrid-ridiculous. Otherwise you can become an associate at the $50 level and pass up 5 sales, you would make money on the 6th sale. This flagship product is sold for approximately 30 times it’s value (1500 divided by 50=30). Remember you are not purchasing a PRODUCT you are qualifying for the opportunity to sell the sell to others. These are the statistics I should have looked at---- 5% make 80%, and 80% make $30,000 or less. See below for more real figures.

Hey Christian hypocrites, a great prophet once said “freely you have received, freely give”. So why don’t you just show “The Secret DVD” in your fellowship groups and discuss Mark 11:24, Instead of pretending God is in this business with you.

Why are all the Stars with huge awards at the conferences and super Saturdays moving on to other network marketing schemes? Jay Kubassek, Mike Dillard, Lehman Hailey, Aaron Parkinson, Ashton Howell, Alan Nettles, Kristy ---, Harold Roscoe, Greg Six, Mike Leroux. It’s because no one is creating a team anymore. BTW if you are considering joining anyone’s NEW organization, remember they didn’t have any problem taking blood money from you when they were with LLIers. Do you think they have changed and love you so much they want to mentor you to success? Yeah right.

There is a real Attorney General of Arizona $115,000 judgment against LLI in May 2006. Before I joined In Oct 2006 I was told there were no legal problems with the BBB or any one else, obviously I was lied to. If I would have known I certainly wouldn’t have joined. There is also a cease and desist order in one of the states of Dakota.

The recommended lead companies are owned by LLiers themselves. Shane owns Extreme. The prominent web site lister, Quicklister is owned by the Glanville/Lavenias. The new Leads on Demand by Responsive Data LLC in Mesa AZ, I would assume is owned by an LLIer.

Where the founders came from: the best I can come up with is Brent and Shane came from Global Prosperity IGI in Georgia, you know that’s the ex MLM propagating the 16th amendment didn’t really pass and conned many into creating illegal offshore accounts. The founders and many others went to jail. Brent is a rap metal drummer formerly with Stuck Mojo releasing the album Snappin Necks in 1995--Some great personal development song titles can be found there, yeah, joke. John Lavenia is another ex-musician vocalist from Torture Krypt, a mid 90’s death metal band with even better personal development lyrics, yeah right.
So what are founders Brent and his can’t drive now without a license Shane sidekick doing in his $2.6 Million house with the $20 Million studio. If they are smart they are planning the exit strategy.

Larry Harmon and his partner Dagmar Campbell Behrend got me started as one of their Aussies with purchased leads and telemarketing using the “script” and I was able to put a few “qualified” people on the “live call” but had an uneasy feeling about it all. I even wanted to prove I had the “balls” to do this business and purchased an $8000 Liberty to their Advisor,to qualify as a Liberty Advisor and “capitalize my business”. I believe that phrase is out of compliance. I believe he does the below the belt marketing calls at night now. Like I was saying I was uneasy. It’s because I have to live with myself. I bought 100’s of leads and fortunately for me, no takers.

The integrity I grew up with had been pushed aside; compromised by the glamour of selling the selling of the opportunity, there IS no product, all the propaganda and brainwashing, work it hard enough, persist and you will become extremely wealthy, rhetoric. They even have a technique that has you “be,do,have” 1000’s of successful telemarketing calls because you deserve it. “You can make a fortune in network marketing of personal development; Donald Trump has started doing this.” They came out with Revenue Reimbursement and their next piece of work, If you can believe it is the Level 4 plan soon to be unveiled. I’m speculating that anyone dumb enough to be conned out of a huge amount of money can join and be qualified for everything all at once to do the sell of the sell of the opportunity, remember NO PRODUCT and attend 10 years of rehashed wealth seminars for one low price of a bazillion dollars of blood money paid to the scammer, oops Advisor that conned him into this.

From other posts on this forum and others, I’ve read and been told its possible to sell Liberty League, but your chances are much less than the figures told to me, specifically 20%. The real chances are in the range of one tenth of 1 percent to make the $20-30 thousand per month. It’s been said Lavenia had a $140,000+ month?! Show everyone the deposit slip, That’s before all the complaints on this site as well as scam dot com, Better Internet Bureau, Corporate-Review, scamfraudalert, mlmwatchdog, Whowho911 that Tony Rush is on prolifically and others.

If others will join with me and put a short statement together and post it here and other places, the LLIers opportunity will dry up. The founders with their exit strategy, they’ll be back for more with some other scam though. Perhaps Selling a Marketing Marketing guru opportunity, combined with how to make music for a living with the “Mongolian super man horse hut hybrid” program. I will say this for them, they do have balls as big as the Camelback Mountains to pull a scheme/scam like this off for 5 to 6 years now; everyone does know that all NLM’s without a product have a lifespan. They don’t last forever; of course the founders knew this going in and have their plan all together for the next several years. Remember they were with another MLM before.

When I finally did some research “that’s called due diligence” about a month after I purchased the Liberty, I was horrified BTW the Liberty conference is really just 2 half days, with a few known speakers that already have their presentation on DVD on the internet for $20 to $50. At most it’s worth $500, because of the poshyposh hotel. You even have to purchase your own food and plane ticket. I’ve never been, but I have heard that it’s mostly a rah-rah for when you get back and do your business and of course to qualify as a Summit advisor you are pressured to get $13,000 blood money for the next conference to pay to your advisor to get that all important qualification as a Summit advisor to “capitalize your business”.

I was told that Liberty League has a beautiful business model and I will agree on that. If you can con someone into paying 30 times what their $1500 product is worth for just “an opportunity to sell an opportunity” and keep doing it week after week you will make a fortune in Liberty League. If you can con them into the $8,000 Liberty Conference purchase like happened to me you have made your blood money for the week. You got BIG Balls to con someone out of $13,000 for the Summit Opportunity.

Hey, anyone scammed by this join with me and file with the Arizona Attorney General and the Attorney General in your advisors state so that all 50 states will have a cease and desist order against the LLIers. A class action against Liberty League in Arizona might happen and you will get your wholesale cost back.

Maybe I’m sentimental, but I’m keeping the Beyond Freedom. 50 years from now it might be worth some money as an obscure collector’s item, the best thing Brent ever recorded. If you ever heard his drumming you’d know what I mean.

Hi,

This message was posted back in 2007, but if you're still around, I would like to speak with you.

I want to join the class action that has recently been launched, but I'm not in the US.

If anyone can help me, please make contact.

Cheers.

Hi Everyone,

I read on the net today that yet another class action is being launched against Liberty League. I'm not in the US, but want to do everything I can to participate and get all my money back.

If anyone out there wants to join the class action, is already in it, or knows what I can do, please, please contact me, I need your help.

Thank you.

Previous LLIer who wishes
I found the right company
first time around

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