Has anyone tried LibertyLeague and what are they all about?

https://www.libertyleague.com/

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Liberty League International More focused on recruiting than an actual product Scottsdale Arizona *REBUTTAL employee ..Liberty League International. The Perspective You should have

Company
Liberty League International
Address:
14300 N. Northsight Blvd, Suite 210
Scottsdale Arizona 85260
U.S.A.
Phone Number:
480-636-7400
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I am amused at all the Liberty Leaguers who have chimed in to endorse their "opportunity". I poured my heart and soul into this business for over 6 months FULL time every day, 7 days a week with ZERO results. My only real result is that I am now in debt over $12,000 and the company refuses to refund even a portion of the money I lost back to me. I chuckle to myself when I read all the posts about "lack of commitment", or "expecting a free ride", or lazy work ethics. Baloney! I spoke with over 100 people every week, week after week for 6 months and only had 3 people semi-interested!! (I guess I wasn't exhibiting good posture!) It was literally like trying to sell the Brooklyn Bridge when pitching their "Beyond Freedom" course for $1520! The sad part is, many of these folks (prospects)are struggling just to put food on the table, yet alone buy into this! And yes, they GREATLY pressure you to buy into the next higher levels (Liberty and Summit) in order to "position" yourself to make better money. The Liberty is $7995, and the Summit is over $12,000!

They neglect to tell you that in order to run this business, you need to spend $39.95 a month on the LLI personal website, $19.95 a month for an 800 number, $99 quarterly to have access to their PROLINK conference system, and ATLEAST $200 a month on leads from their self-owned lead company, Extreme Leads. Generating your own leads thru web advertising can even be costlier!!

Lastly, the main thing I found running rampant within the organization was the "fake it til you make it" mentality. I was encouraged to tell people of my mulitple six-figure income I was generating, when I hadn't made a single red cent! Where is the integrity and honesty in that? I never spoke with a Liberty Leaguer (and I've talked to many) who wasn't earning $20-40K every month......sounded a bit too good to be true, and unfortunately I've learned why the HARD way. A class-action lawsuit is in the works against LLI-.

Matt
Gilbertsville, Pennsylvania
U.S.A.

http://ripoffreport.com/reports/ripoff145303.htm

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To everyone who is looking into Liberty League as a "legitimate" home based business opportunity...you might want to keep looking...

There comes a time in every entrepreneur's career when he or she must decide if their business is going to be able to sustain their financial goals for the future. I have been involved with Liberty League for quite some time, and in that time have had some financial success. But for various reasons over the last few weeks, I have been forced to ask myself if Liberty League was not only going to help me sustain the financial goals that I have established for my family and I, but more importantly was Liberty League still a company that I could feel good about being a part of...was the level of integrity with the company in fact solid. The answers to these questions came very definitively over the last several weeks based on several unexpected events, and I have no doubt that my decision to move on to a greater and more prosperous opportunity was the right one.

For those of you who are reading this post, I commend you for doing your homework on Liberty League. If you have any questions regarding the business, the products, or about my decision to transition my business to another opportunity, please feel free to contact me. Whether you are interested in the opportunity or not, I think you would greatly benefit from hearing first hand what has transpired over the last several weeks with regard to my affiliation with Liberty League.

Kindest Regards,
Joe
joe@incomeadrenaline.com

BEWARE!!! They are also using the name "Winning Edge Enterprises" to contact people.

If you check the Better Business Bureau website, you will see that Liberty Leaugue just had to pay a HUGE fine for their deceitful practices on luring in people to partake in their scheme!

STAY AWAY FROM: Liberty League International & Winning Edge Enterprises

Aloha everyone. I am not sure how I came across this site, but it was very interesting to read the articles posted on LLI. I AM PROUD TO BE INVOLVED WITH LIBERTY LEAGUE. Along with the Financial Success MANY ARE EXPERIENCING, simply by following the 5 DMO, it has offered me MUCH MORE. I will try to be brief, but first let me say this. I to had difficulty getting started and I did my Beyond Freedom program, spoke with SUCCESSFUL individuals, who have always been there for me, and discovered why. As soon as you stop making excuses and start being responsible and DOING THE FORMULA FOR SUCCESS - it happens. I have heard of others who left because of rumours they heard, fortunately, I stayed to get the truth and so GLAD that I did. This company, since I started in April, gets better every time. There are continual changes, WHICH ARE INEVITABLE WITH GROWTH. There have been MANY changes in my life also. The beautiful thing with the Beyond Freedom Program. RESULTS. After my husband passed away, his businesses gone, MY LIFE CHANGED TRAGICALLY. Beyond Freedom has given me a new ticket and a new lease on life. I CAN DO ANYTHING I CHOOSE. IT IS INDEED UP TO ME. It is unfortunate and obvious that those who posted their experiences with LLI didn't mention that you will not have success if you try to reinvent the wheel, if you TRY TO MAKE IT HAPPEN. The truth is if you follow the DAILY MODE OF OPERATION - it does happen. So sad to say, the few notes you have on LLI are from those who chose to do it their way. I have yet to find anything that has held the highest level of integrity; the greatest amount of support; and the most positive, loving, caring, helpful experiences of my life. I have seen many MLM's - THIS IS NOT MLM (NO RECRUITING) - THIS IS UNIQUE. LLI HAS BEEN A TERRIFIC BLESSING IN MY LIFE. IF YOU HAVE INTEGRITY; CARE ABOUT & READY TO HELP OTHERS, & ARE COACHABLE & TRAINABLE - YOU TOO CAN BE SUCCESSFUL. I HAVE ENJOYED A LIBERTY CONFERENCE; A SUMMIT CONFERENCE AND A SUPER, SUPER SATURDAY and each time, Brent Payne and Shayne Krider, HELD TO THEIR INTEGRITY; GAVE MORE TO THE ASSOCIATES THAN TO THE COMPANY & TOOK US TO THE NEXT LEVEL. It is too bad some left, the best is yet to come. (Because it didn't happen for some, it is sad to see them try to steal the blessing and opportunity for those who would make it happen.) So remember the source when you check things out, but do your due diligence. I checked it out for 3 weeks and found it absolutely refreshing. I rate Liberty League a 5 STAR. See what I mean: http://libertyleague.com/BornToBeFree. They have made our new website and Back Office - "Over the Top" & Beyond Expectations - but that is standard at LLI. To your life, whatever YOU choose it to be. As Shane says: "LIFE IS A SERIES OF CHOICES...CHOOSE WELL!". TO YOUR SUCCESS.

Oh please, your not sure how you came across this site??? Give me a break! You found it cause you were most likely doing an Internet search and found how awful Liberty League is and how they have swindled people out of their hard earned money! I still receive at least 2 emails a month from Liberty League or whatever they have decided to change their name to this month cause they know they are losing support and people are catching on to their deceitful practices. Liberty League is still a waste of your hard earned money, don’t bother with them! Plus, it always amazes me every time someone posts something negative about them on these websites there is always pretty much immediately following such a heartfelt “bunch of crap” response from someone claiming to be a Liberty League believer. It’s just someone from that organization trying hard to make you believe in their scam! DON’T BE FOOLED!!!

Sorry, JP - my life HAS BEEN CHANGED BECAUSE OF LIBERTY LEAGUE. Wasn't easy getting started BECAUSE I WASN'T DOING THE 5 STEPS. AS SOON AS I STARTED THAT, THINGS HAPPENED JUST LIKE THEY SAID IT WOULD. I DO TRAVEL WITH THEM, AND ADD DAYS ON MY TRAVELLING IN NEARBY AREAS. I just came back from Hawaii and spent time in Maui also. I INDEED LOVE MY LIFE. YESTERDAY, I WAS LOOKING AT A 40' MOTOR COACH TO TAKE MY PARENTS ACROSS CANADA WITH ME AS I DO MY BUSINESS. TODAY, I WAS DEBATING WHETHER TO CONTACT AN AR****ECT TO DESIGN MY NEW HOME INSTEAD OF ADDING AN ENCLOSED LAGOON INGROUND POOL ON THIS HOUSE.

They have ALWAYS been in integrity; they have always been supportive and IF YOU UNDERSTOOD BEYOND FREEDOM, you would understand the system, training, support and very lucrative income system.

But as we learn in Beyond Freedom and with the Black Belt Training and Advanced Advisors call, you will attract to you what you want, you will see what you want to see and hear what you want to hear - IF YOU OPEN YOUR EYES, EARS AND HEART, YOU THEN WILL SEE THE TRUTH. Why did it NOT WORK FOR YOU?

I DECIDED TO FOLLOW THE LEADER AND MAKE IT HAPPEN.

NOW I AM LIVING LIFE ON MY TERMS.

Personally, I am glad not everyone gets in to LLI. I love the community of people I have met, positive, encouraging, supportive, loving, caring, giving and helpful, just to mention a few.

By the way, they have NEVER changed their names - associates can name their sites whatever they want. Some clarification for you. Also, another clarification on the facts, we had record attendance in Hawaii; we have been breaking records lately in many departments in cash flow; call attendance and expanding. We are also about to open our new back office, and if you haven't seen it, the NEW WEBSITE IS OUT OF THIS WORLD. INCREDIBLE. GET YOUR FACTS BEFORE YOU WRITE. Thanks for your input. visit me at http://libertyleague.com/BornToBeFree


TO YOUR SUCCESS.
Sincerely.
Rhonda

Well, Rhonda, that is so wonderful that you feel so great about scamming people out of their money. It must make you feel so proud to have just gotten back from Hawaii and that your going to take your parents in a 40' motor coach across Canada and maybe, just maybe your going to use an ar****ect to design your next home (with all the money you stole from participants), I am sure they are so proud of you on how you can con people out of their savings.

Rhonda, I have my facts correct. If anyone just does a little research, such as I did, you would see that on: “May 24, 2006, the Arizona Attorney General announced a settlement with Liberty League International and their principles. The consent judgment resolved complaints that the multi-level marketing corporation (also known as a pyramid scheme) “tricked” consumers into spending money by promising “sizable commission” if they marketed three personal development products and recruited new participants into their program. According to the document filed in Superior Court, the program participants didn’t earn enough money to cover the cost spent on the products they were selling.

The Settlement requires LLI to pay $100,000 in civil penalties, refrain from making unsubstantiated earnings claims, advise consumers of the CORRECT percentage of participants that have made a profit through the LLI Program and refrain from making FALSE and DECEPTIVE claims in their marketing materials”.

So you see Rhonda, I did do my research! Apparently you think people are gullible, but as I am here to help point out and the website www.scamfraudalert.com is here to help highlight how deceitful Liberty League International really is (also goes by the name Winning Edge Enterprises). And, I am quoting word for word from the Better Business Bureau website. If everyone else would like to see where I obtained my information from, just got to www.bbb.org and look up Liberty League International, Scottsdale, AZ or feel free to visit www.attorney_general.state.az.us for further information regarding the fine that was levied against LLI. You will also see all the complaints filed against LLI over the last 36 months and you can all read for yourselves how they swindled people out of their money.

Also Rhonda, I have the entire email conversation with Miki Strong from Winning Edge Enterprises. When she emailed me about joining LLI/Winning Edge Enterprises, I quickly pointed out what I had found out and she was frantically trying to figure out where I obtained my information from. We had a nice long back and forth email about the whole thing, her response was as sick and sappy as yours is. If you would like to see it or anyone else for that matter would like to see it, just let me know. I am here to help out in anyway that I can so people do not keep getting swindled by these con artists.

One other thing Rhonda, have a lovely time with your parents motor coaching across Canada! Better hurry and spend your money quickly as some day soon, the feds will be coming after you as well and taking back all the money you stole and hopefully give you some jail time as well.

Sincerely,
Jeremy

Another vulnerable person falling victim to these modern day snake oil salesmen. It's been going on forever and will apparently continue forever. I have friends in LLI and have become quite fascinated by the whole thing, you might say a little obsessed. It doesn't take much research or common sense to see that all these "opportunities" are scams. In some ways I respect the perpetrators more than the victims, at least the perps know what they are doing. All the websites (same claims, shills), message forums, my friends, use the same cultish babble that this poor person has posted here. You'll notice she doesn't claim to actually have earned any money (just like my friends), but knows that someone does. She's right it's the top 5-10% of the pyramid. That "fake it till you make it" is costing a lot of people a lot of money. The perverse thing is that when they fail, as they absolutely will, they will blame themselves for not working or believing hard enough. These guys are good. C'mon folks open up your eyes and ears, and trust your gut. You know that you are being scammed and I don't believe you really want to scam others.

Upon reflection thought some people may not know about snake oil salesmen. Check the snake oil peddler http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snake_oil sounds a lot like LLI and similar scams doesn't it. New technology new ****ers. I must admit LLI is very good at what they do. Their website, exotic conferences, promise of financial freedom are all very intoxicating. But at the end of it all what are they really selling other than a dream. Beyond Freedom for $1495 is at best a $50 product and free if you go to your public library to the self help section. Overpriced "conferences" full of people living beyond their means using credit cards, and other forms of debt to finance this charade. Wake up people, the room is full of people just like you in rented tuxes believing that the "law of attraction" and other pseudo psycho babble will make them rich beyond their wildest dreams. I know you will write me off as a "nay sayer" and this "proven system" will not work for me because I do not have the right mindset. I find this quite sad and arrogant. Newsflash people, there are people out there who like their lives, their jobs, believe in an honest days pay for an honest days work. Have planned and invested in their's and their children's futures. Yet you feel you "deserve" something better for minimal effort and think this is your shortcut to success.

Unfortunately you are going to wake up from this intoxicating dream with a fairly wicked hangover, with valuable time and money invested that you won't be getting back.

So here we all are. Constant bantering back and forth. Why do some of you have to be so rude about the choices that others of us make. Right or wrong seemingly to you. Obviously we are ALL still looking, researching, wanting to know more information to make it ahead in life (Isn't that why you "happened" upon this spot.) So I ask the "naysayers" that would rather put down peoples choices than take responsibility for their own...What is out there for us that dream of a better lifestyle? What is the "ticket?" All I hear is complaining .. but No solutions!

Yes there are definitely two camps on these kind of sites. Those that believe/or want to believe in MLM's (no matter what they call them they are MLM's) and those that know these are scams. I fall into the group that knows these are scams. Yes there are some heated debates but that's what happens in these kind of forums. I have found that the pro-MLMers are either perpetrating the scam or are being scammed. These people, try as they might cannot present a logical argument for these kinds of scams, it's all emotion and greed. And they definitely don't want to be confused with the facts about MLM's. They also have a vested interest in trying to legitimize the scam and get more recruits. The people who oppose these scams do so to hopefully prevent people form being scammed and really have nothing to gain except stopping these unethical "business" practices.

Also, I have no problem taking responsiblity for the choices I have made in my life and my career. I happen to be morally opposed to any unethical practice or scheme that is out to defraud innocent (and usually desperate, ill informed) people by selling them a "dream" of incredible and easily attained wealth.

And as to what is the "Ticket" it surely isn't in MLM's where 95% of all the people lose money. It may be to get a job in a field that you have training, education, or an interest in. It may be in starting a legitimate business where you provide a product or a service and not in recruiting people for overpriced products and "conferences". You seem to be part of the ever growing number of people that feel they deserve or are entitled to something without any effort. Good luck with that.

Gee Thanks, Skeptic Al, for "grouping" me in the 'Earn $$$, Do Nothing' gang. Gosh, I really appreciate that especially since you know nothing about me and are only "reading into" what you think I mean by my last post. Sorry to inform you but I know ANY business...MLM or Regular businesses require WORK! No doubt you will have to WORK your butt off to make it! I've owned both kinds and no doubt have gray hairs from them!! I don't have my "regular" business anymore due to DOD contract cutbacks and dealing with a 30 employee nightmare but I have kept my direct sales business that I've had for 3 years and I enjoy it.
I've been in my Aviation career (a normal JOB) for 17 years, gone far in upper education and training, I have had great success and made a name for myself even. However, my position, although great in responsibility for the flying general public, makes absolutly crap pay for what we do. I work 60 hours a week (to make ends meet) on my Graveyard shift, So, on my days off I like to enjoy extra money from my business. Yep, have recruits that LOVE the business more than me and do WAY better than me but I'll tell you what...when I'm sleeping (during the day) and they are working I make a bit of the pie. My business is a bit slow because of my sleep schedule and I still make money. So why don't I just do my business more (well it's certainly not because of work)... because it is Soo far different (product wise) than the Fun I have with Large Aircraft I will Never Own!! I just like both!
A friend introduced me to Liberty League and I was looking them up when I happened upon this thread link. If it's working for people, then Great, their choice, all the best to them. It's not my kind of gig to get involved with. Too difficult, too expensive for the "average joe", not sure of the market for the product, these are all my own thoughts on it.
So, ok, scams you say. Pyramid schemes..person at top makes all the money. "Illegal," everyone says. But...A normal J.O.B. is a pyramid. My lead makes more than me, the supervisors make more than the lead, upper mgmt makes more than the sup's, all the way to the CEO/President that makes more than all of us. I can't "buy-in" to the supervisor level either, I have to start as the "pion" and scratch my way to the top. And the top may take many many years and if he retires or dies AND if I'm positioned next in line. Many factors to get that pinnacle spot. So do we all work an "Illegal scheme"?? What about Direct Sales?? Still has recruiting involved yet I'm doing no more than what normal businesses do too. I patent product. I want to get the product out to many people. I sell my product for a fraction to some buyers and they in turn sell the product for another price to gain a profit. I make money on them buying the product from me. The people that bought from me are the recruits.
In my direct sales business, I don't hype what I make, I give a lot more information up front about time, how much they will spend and tips to do it an easier way (not make my mistakes) and really the CHOICE is THEIRS to make. I Choose to do my business that way. I think A LOT of people (maybe not you Skeptic Al) were promised the Pie in the Sky and you'll make millions by doing nothing and people DO buy into that because it sounds great. I got into my business by research, fully knowing it's a business! I lost money the first year, broke even the second and now turn a profit every month by A LOT. I had to bust my butt but it's worth it now!! I guess I'm living by the saying "If you will do for the next 2 years what most people won't, you will live the rest of your life the way most people can't!"
By the way, the "extra" money I make in my business goes to my flying passion and taking needy, ill children to doctors appointments in other towns where they couldn't get without our help. It is a very recognizable charity group. So, Skeptic Al, Not all people are "greedy," some just want to use their money for helping others.

Let those with eyes see and ears hear.

Without looking to hard, here is the kind of information you can find regarding MLMs. It may take some time to read, but when and if you are investing in an "opportunity" this is the kind of information that will allow you to make a decision that is not based on emotion.

http://www.falseprofits.com/MLM%20Lies.html
http://www.pyramidschemealert.org/PS...omeReport.html

False Profits Home Page

The truth shall set you free.

Thanks Skeptic Al for writing back. I was almost sad that I didn't hear a direct reply last night. You know, I get what you're trying to do in steering me away from thinking MLM's are great businesses and you want me to see the "the light." Maybe you'll get all happy and excited that you "saved" me, if I see it 'your' way, don't really know. To each his own, Skeptic Al. Like I said, in my business I give people the information, tell them to do the research and leave the choice UP TO THEM. It's THEIR CHOICE to join me or not. I don't twist arms or hype up my monetary claim. Maybe that's why my business is slow but again, it's how I choose to do it. It's MY business! But again I tell you even working the mass numbers and finding the few that WANT to do it, in that few I make money while I sleep (because I work a regular job on the Graveyard shift.) I set the ground work .. read that again..WORK .. and make a piece of the pie.
A couple of years ago I was in a company, an MLM that I didn't care for the marketing plan but I loved the product, used the product. In fact I used the product to make a "regular" business (totally acceptable by that company .. in fact endorsed to do so.) I had a business plan, tax ID numbers, paid taxes, no employees just me, had loyal customers...the whole nine yards. It was great ... until it started to grow..fast.. and it was just me running the whole thing. Now a few years back I ran a larger business with some partners dealing with heavy equipment and I remember the nightmare we went through. I just wanted to have my "little"' hobby based business for extra cash flow and here I was on the brink of expansion. I guess most people would call me dumb for not growing it, making more money they would say but I really didn't want the headache. I enjoyed it for what it was and I wanted to do the work MY way without having other people interfere with my name planted on the workmanship...I take pride in a job well done. So I didn't let it grow and eventually I let it subside. My loyal customers were loyal to the end and still keep in touch, bless their hearts. Now my direct sales business...NO employees ("independant contractors" doing their OWN thing), Expansion Headaches, YES, Nightmares, NO and finally a piece of the pie. Really Skeptic Al, is this soo bad?? If I decided to run with it and make more money so that I could live a little better, would you litter my lawn with propaganda about SCAMS and such because I worked a little harder to make a down payment on a decent little home in a nice little neighborhood?? You should check out your neighbors scams they are conducting ... the world is full of the ones really trying to make ****ers out of you. Not saying that some MLMers are like that because there are a few bad apples out there but I think the rest of us are linked onto the dream of paying down debt and affording to do some things that our regular Just Over Broke J.O.B.s don't afford us to do. Sure it sounds good to make a million plus dollars and drive Bentleys and live in the "Beverly Hills" of your neighborhood but from 10 years of being in "opportunities," Most people are looking to put an extra few bucks in their pocket and are EVEN skeptical of the big hype (it's nice to dream forward but lets look at reality here) Most are soo far in the negative hole thinking about themselves to do really Big things and think Big ideas that they can't even think Big Dreams!! I think what I've learned out of my experiences with "MLM's" is that Attitude is Everything, I Can Do Anything I put my mind to and Great leaders are made, not born!! By now, you're probably scoffing my every word. Well, if you'd like to challenge that last statement .. you are welcome to come over and look at all my "real" world accomplishments .. non MLM!

Say Al, What's your story? What do you do? What company made you mad at the world??